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  • ophy
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    I didn't realize Jamie King was such good friends with FKA Twigs! That's interesting.

    It's good that Lainey's site is calling out the horrific things people post about Twigs in instagram and on twitter because they should be publicly shamed (it's all super horrible and racist) but I object to broadly labeling the offenders 'a subset of 'Twihards'. Ya gotta drill down more! They come from a small sliver of the Robsessed, and there is a difference! And to drill down further, an even smaller sliver of those folks are the HKN Havenites (the ones who actually believe the Rob and Kristen are married with two children and all of their other relationships are just a cover for their sekrit marriage). We are talking maybe ten people out of the thousands upon thousands of the formerly active 'Twihard' community. Ten people with poor comprehension skills and no sense of boundaries but yeah, just a teeny number of them. Even calling them a 'subset' feels generous.


    Let’s tumble down the alternative facts rabbit hole for a minute. Imagine twigs and Rob are a PR scam: wouldn’t Rob and Kristen be equally to blame for lying to their fans? Why is it OK to say the most horrible things about FKA twigs but give “married” Rob a pass for pretending to have a girlfriend? How is FKA “using Rob” (which is their main argument) if they are in an equally beneficial fake relationship? And the most important question: Why would they do any of this?!

    It makes no sense, but sense is not required for this subset of Twihards. And when they say something racist or threatening, they pass it off as passion. (Is this the same thing as “economic anxiety”?) Because they are fans who only want the best for their beloved Robsten, it’s fair to call twigs a whore.

    Accurate.


    You could remove 'Rob' and 'Kristen' and 'Twigs' and substitute 'Nina' and 'Ian' and 'Nikki' or 'Taylor' and 'Karlie' and 'Josh Kushner' or 'Harry' and 'Louis' and 'Eleanor' or 'Jared' and 'Jensen' and 'Geneivieve' because this is totally universal across fandoms. And the fact that the patterns repeat ad infinitum is absolutely one of the most fascinating of phenomenons.


    I can sort of see connecting it to the Fake News of today's political sphere, but . . . well, that's kinda muddy to me. I'm not sure that connection is clearly earned. I suppose they both do uncover a common area of humanity's collective brain that refuses to accept facts, though? And an equally common area that does not acknowledge boundaries and respect for other human beings? It's when those two things coincide that you get The Ugliness in both politics and fandom.



    (And as a random side note, all of the tinhatters I have tracked tend to be anti-Trump and just as progressive in politics as the majority of the fandom world. Like they will post BONKERS things about how Karlie or Taylor or Harry or Louis are communicating sekrit messages to The Faithful via the color of clothes they are wearing and then follow it up with a perfectly reasonable mockery of Trump and/or Trumpites ).



    I take my hat off to Ophy who has done so much deep diving into this kind of crazy but managed to somehow stay sane.


    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA*sob*






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  • Laura
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    Of all the Lainey contributors I find I agree with Maria more often than not. She calls out the Twihards but, as she says, it's everywhere and it all speaks to the larger problem with sm.

    http://www.laineygossip.com/jaime-ki...twihards/47064

    I, like many of you, used to laugh at Twihards. Sad (mostly) women hiding behind keyboards, clinging to two people who want nothing to do with them.
    I’ve always thought these people were pathetic but harmless…and yet… what if they aren’t? Look at what is happening in the world -- the comments section has sprung to life and we are watching it unfold with every new headline. We are inundated with assholes like this at every turn, people who think their desperation and their fears about anyone who doesn’t look like them justifies harassment. They use their rabidness as protection against logic and civility.
    It's been said here many times and I take my hat off to Ophy who has done so much deep diving into this kind of crazy but managed to somehow stay sane. And these people are not teenagers. It's nasty. There should be a better answer than people just having to delete stuff.

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  • isadora
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    Eh, looking at gifs is diff than treating a person like a popsicle. It's super creepy!

    When did the vast majority of Twitter users forget that celebrities are human beings? I don't get it. THERE IS A LINE, PEOPLE.

    Twitter is so weird and most people online--not in forums like this generally but in comments on blogs and on social media--are having a conversation with themselves almost no matter what the topic is. It's bizarre.

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  • ophy
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    The guy who plays Bellamy on The 100 - this guy:





    - is none too pleased with a certain kind of fan entitlement:






    Now I feel bad for how many times I have looked at gifs of him shirtless. I have no defense!

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  • isadora
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    What is UP with SPN fans? They seem partick crazy.

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  • ophy
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    Oh, man. That mega post is a thing of beauty.

    I'd heard about the SPN psuecides, but had no idea it was so widespread. Sounds like teenage girls in the SPN fandom are infected with the same thing that made those teenage girls in Salem be such tremendous assholes to everyone else.

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  • dada_teacher
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    So it seems that BNFs in the Supernatural fandom fake abuse attacks from anons in tumbrl and then pseuicides to get even more attention I guess? Fun times. http://snarp.tumblr.com/post/1069258...cides-a-grumpy
    Last edited by dada_teacher; 01-08-2015, 01:39 AM.

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  • isadora
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    Um, I don't even watch indie movies anymore and I have a degree in film studies. Like give me Captain American or give me Mockingjay.

    So, yeah, god bless IFC for fighting the good fight! LOL

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  • emmaleigh
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    I think I need to stop being part of actor fandoms if the actors prefer independent films because people's entitlement and willful ignorance of the distribution process makes me want to beat my head against the wall.

    KStew is in a movie with Juliette Binoche and Chloe Moretz that premiered at Cannes and is showing at TIFF and even though I was not impressed with the script at all, the film is getting favorable reviews for KS and Juliette especially. IFC is the domestic distributor which kind of tells me all I need to know about the movie; other bigger distributors must've passed because IFC pays very little for their acquisitions (we rep a number of their library for the world.)

    The reality is that the marketplace no longer supports these kinds of films -- indie dramas (or comedies) with mid-level cast made for more than 3 mil, they all lose money. And IFC pays little and puts nearly everything through their day-and-date platform because they know this because they've been in the indie distribution business for twenty+ years.

    But because of some favorable festival reviews, fandom got it into their head that this should be an Oscar contender. Nevermind that IFC doesn't have the clout or THE MONEY to successfully mount an Oscar campaign for an obscure meta treatise on aging that will appeal to .05% of the general movie-going public (outside the KStew fandom). So an industry blog tweets today that the movie is "confirmed" for a spring release (this confirmation is attributed to no one btw) and fandom loses its shit tweeting expletives and vitriol at IFC's Twitter for RUINING and DISRESPECTING and FUCKING UP OMFG the movie because they're not releasing in time for awards season.

    Be careful what you wish for. You better hope and pray that IFC doesn't overextend themselves sinking money into a totally futile awards campaign to the extent that they FOLD because if IFC folds and Magnolia folds and all these indie distributors that aren't good enough for *you* go out of business, guess who is going to distribute KS movies?! NO ONE.
    Accept that she picks projects that will not make money because they are what she wants to do and be grateful you get to see them in whatever way you can.

    It's totally reasonable to me that people outside the business don't have knowledge of why a distributor makes the decisions they do but it makes me crazy that it doesn't occur to them they might be missing that knowledge.

    ETA: I think I'm extra rant-y because this literally happens with every single Rob or Kristen movie; fandom has deluded expectations, film gets limited release and loses money. It's like they collectively get eternal sunshine'd with every new picture. But if you point this out, you're a "hater".
    Last edited by emmaleigh; 09-10-2014, 10:30 PM.

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  • jennchum
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    It does actually!

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  • ophy
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    This guys was a panelist on a bunch of panels at the con, and he thinks it's being maligned unfairly. He sounds like a mature grown-up (not attached to the con financially in any way or part of the organizing) : http://markdoesstuff.tumblr.com/post...-a-with-myself

    excerpt:

    Folks are already gaslighting me about my Q&A I did on Facebook, trying to say I am doing my best to minimize what the admins did, but let me state this right now: I have no interest in defending the Dashcon admins. It is more clear than ever that they know what they fucked up, and y’all know of the many mistakes made over the weekend. I cannot add much to what you know or think you know because I kind of stayed away from it? I was outside the main ballroom for the majority of the time after all panels were closed. I knew that the hotel upper management freaking out was real, I knew the $20,000 demand was real, I saw the physical contract at one point, I knew the issue was over oral agreements/changes made, and I knew that the one guy who took over the microphone during that hour of chaos ONLY MADE THINGS WORSE. Whomever he was, I guarantee none of it would have been as bad as it was if he’d just SHUT UP.

    So then what???

    Panels all were back on at 10:30. I went and did mine, had an excellent turnout, and for the remainder of the con, if I had stayed off Tumblr, it would have been a super fun, enjoyable, well-attended con with zero problems for me.

    But???

    Look, I had five panels on Saturday, and while I was very thankful to be appreciated and given the chance to do so much, I was also sad to be missing Night Vale! I love the podcast dearly, but I was scheduled against it. So, when I found out WTNV walked (and it was while I was on a panel myself), it sucked, but it didn’t affect my day at all. The only issue I did have was when a misogynist jerk went on a sexist rant about b*tches in fiction and how Mary-Louise Parker is only good for her boobs (WHY ARE YOU TALKING). I shut it down and moved on as best as I could, ran immediately to staff after the panel, reported said person, and then went straight to my third panel of the day. I had two back-to-back, so I went back to the admin office to give a full report once I had a break, and staff dealt with him. As far as I know, the jerk was kicked out. Their response was super quick and respectful, and I was really happy with it.

    But???

    Then I made the mistake of going on Tumblr before my 5pm panel, Homoerotic Subtext.

    You have to understand that while two undeniably huge and disastrous mishaps had occurred (the money issue, and WTNV walking), the con felt normal. And then I check my dash and it was just a torrent of ball pit jokes, yelling about panels, misogynist drivel about how teenage girls always ruin fandom and cons, and nearly every post was insisting that this was the worst convention in the history of the universe.

    It was jarring. It was INCREDIBLY surreal.

    Can you explain the ball pit?

    I swear, that fucking question will probably be engraved on my tombstone when I turn to dust. I’m going to later get into how many things the Tumblr community turned into massive issues, but here’s a good start. It was located in a large room adjacent to registration that had concessions and a place to sit and eat. It wasn’t empty because no one was at the con. I would estimate that there were 1,500 people there. The ball pit largely stemmed from a joke, and it wasn’t a thing that was talked about or visited at the con with any frequency. I remember seeing it when I went to get a snack, and I laughed at it because it was clearly absurdly small on purpose, and then I went about my day. It was not a point of interest, it wasn’t something a single soul talked about, and it was just a quirky thing that existed. The end.
    I don't know if that makes you change your mind about the sad teens.

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  • isadora
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    I love that you guys wrote a sad little fanfic about those tweens! LOL

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  • LaaLaa
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    That picture is the saddest, fo' sho.

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  • jennchum
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    That photo of those sad, awkward teens sitting in that pathetic ball pit just breaks my heart for some reason. These are kids who probably never date, or do prom, or whatever. This WAS their big high school experience. And its just terrible.

    Maybe I am over thinking it, but I just want to hug everyone in that picture. And then tell them to go take a shower.

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  • LaaLaa
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    I kind of do want it to be an Accepted situation where it just got out of hand.
    Last edited by LaaLaa; 07-15-2014, 03:23 PM.

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