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  • I feel like it was maybe Bessie talking to Joey. But I have no freaking clue.

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    • BOOKMARKING THIS FOREVER: http://stayinginwithvlada.com/2010/0...ces-of-the-wb/

      The old WB promos!

      Not even going to lie, I totally got choked up. Can't decide if my fave was 2000's Oh What A Night, or 2001's Barefoot Pacey Kicking In Water. Oh What A Night had me convinced for months that there really was a secret club in LA where the WB stars went to hang out and hook up. I was shipping The J with everyone in da club, natch. But Barefoot Pacey Kicking In Water had Barefoot Pacey Kicking In Water. Hmmmmmm . . .

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      • 1. Thanks for ruin-making my day. Aw. Seems like everyone from the WB went out and got some sort of after-career. Well, except for all the kids on 7th Heaven that weren't Jessica Biel.

        2. This secret club? Hee.

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        • plane_sects!

          I LOVE Oh What A Night. I might have that in my vid archive on my home server. Bwah!
          Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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          • Aww, plane_sects. Love. The only RPF I am not ashamed to have read.

            Oh What A Night is the best! Nicholas Brendan's outfit is amazing.

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            • All our talk in the Tumblr and Facebook threads about "thank Beek the internet wasn't that advanced during the fandom!" got me thinking about the evolution of teen soaps, all the casual sexin' on MTV, The CW, ABC Fam... The amount of naked on networks right now (and not moralizing it three episodes before and after) would nevah fly in 1998! Despite the uproar from Christian parent groups when the show first came out, it's crazy to me now how innocent the show actually was, especially after the first season. Anyhoo, if DC came out in the 2010s, it'd probably still be 99% talking and 1% doing, but I wonder if the judgmental, sexist hoopla surrounding Joey's virginity would've been at least slightly less offensive... Ugh. Probably not.

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              • You are so right! And it's all about Gossip Girl, IMO. The OC knocked on that door and Gossip Girl was like: OPEN UP! Let's have a drink and enjoy some casual sex at 16, party people!

                It changed everything. And Skins in the UK, obviously, but I think for American audiences GG made sophisticated fantasy teen lives way more serious.

                Dawson was just coming off the 90210 teen show era so sex was THE MOST IMPORTANT AND PIVOTAL THING EVAH.

                I would so write my PHD thesis on this.
                Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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                • Exactly! When GG started, only Blair was a virgin and she did it in the back of a limo, while drunk, with Chuck. Can you even imagine what would have happened if that was Joey? And Jen, for all the show SAID she was a skank, what did she ever really do besides skinny dip with Dawson and have sympathy sex with him after his dad died? She couldn't even have a FWB relationship w/Pacey.

                  It's crazy to me how much WB shows treated teenage sex like this thing that everyone in your community could have an opinion on. I mean, think about what happened to poor Buffy!

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                  • Let me put my film studies degree to use for just a minute/

                    There's actually a very long-standing movie and TV trope of something "bad" happening when a woman loses her virginity or has sex that might be inappropriate behavior for her (outside of marriage, etc). One of the reasons I LOVE Gossip Girl was because it smashed the hell out of those tropes and gave other shows permission to do the same.

                    Joey: An old man DIED when she lost her virginity (even though her BFF gave her tacit permission).
                    Buffy: her boyfriend WENT INSANE and KILLED people after she lost her virginity.
                    Anyway, there are millions of examples!

                    But boys tend to lose their virginity in fantasy scenarios (like Pacey) or with "nice" girls who can help them over the hump (so to speak) like Jen. They also tend to mark a passage into manhood and are often shot in metaphorical ways (a boy walking home in the morning with the sun shining on him--a brand new day! A brand new life of possibilities!) where girls are often found at the scene of the crime--or just returning from the scene--and encounter some harbinger that notes they have LOST something precious. In the movie Mermaids? Wynona Ryder's little sister nearly dies while she's off losing her virginity with Jake Ryan. In the old movie Mildred Pierce? Mildred is out with her boyfriend (really the only fun she has in the whole movie) and she gets laid (fade to black) and her daughter gets sick because Mildred is not there to watch her and ends up dying.
                    Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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                    • God, it's so true it hurts my face. I just keep thinking about the heavy sense of DREAD and LOSS and STRESS that filled every single s4 Joey scene after Sex Day, including her lonely pregnancy scare after the mindblowingly inaccurate free clinic episode! And even in the first season of DC when Dawson acted like he got stabbed when he found out Jen wasn't a virgin? And OMB, Buffy weeping post-Angelus still makes me want to cry. Girls having normal teen insecurities about sex is one thing, but it was as if The WB's thesis statement was "SEX RUINS EVERYTHING, GIRLS! INCLUDING YOUR PREVIOUSLY GOOD BOYFRIENDS!" I'm actually surprised The CW let Gossip Girl follow through with the aforementioned trope-smashing, but the first season was pretty much by the books, right?

                      Also, yes! WHAT was with the idea that it was normal for the whole friggin' town to think they had the right to get all up in a girl's sexual business? Even in the tiniest of tiny towns it would be outrageous!

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                      • That's one of the things I found refreshing about The Vampire Diaries. Small town teens, and NOBODY is a virgin, not even the 15 yr old little brother. And it's treated as no big thang at all.

                        Whereas in the TVD books, apparently Elena is a virgin, and it *is* a big deal. KW made sure that didn't carry over to the show, and I wonder if that was in direct relation to his experiences at DC with The WB.

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                        • I was looking at random pages on the Wiki yesterday and I have a question: What the hell was the deal with that "Whitey" smilie? Was it somehow connected with the Daisies? There's a quoted post from one of them expressing outrage that "Whitey" was being "used" in such a disgusting way (i.e., in a post mocking Dawson). Anyone?

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                          • It was something that had to do with Lethal Candy who I had called Lethal Andie because her posts were so unstable and crazy but then SunChild (the single white female SC, FYI!), I MEAN Lumpy, er, Mandy stole Whitey for herself and acted like it was her own idea so she used it as a DJ mocking tool.

                            I remember Jerry making me publicly apologize for making jokes at posters for being mentally unstable because being mentally unstable isn't funny at all! He said he had DJ pressure to make it look like he reprimanded me and to please just do that for him. This was all before my IP was blocked at FF, of course.

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                            • Wasn't it meant to be a symbol of sweet purity or something?
                              Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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                              • It represented feeling the "warm fuzzies" because he was all puffy or something.
                                "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.Ē---Kanye

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