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    The Marvel Movies Discussion Thread

    Since they are going to be releasing new Marvel goodies every year until 2028*, we may as well build a home for the discussion.

  • #2

    Marvel Studios’ 2014 movie season officially begins this weekend with the release of star-spangled sequel Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The comic-adapting superstudio is also releasing Guardians of the Galaxy this summer, while it gears up for 2015′s Avengers: Age of Ultron and Ant-Man. Threequels for Cap and Thor are already in the works. There might be a Black Widow spinoff; there’ll definitely be another Avengers; a bunch of cool B-listers are coming to Netflix; God willing, we’ll get to an Inhumans someday.

    But the scope of Marvel’s ambition only really becomes clear in a new Bloomberg Businessweek profile of Marvel head honcho Kevin Feige. At one point, writer Devin Leonard points out a map on the wall of Feige’s office, showing films planned out over the next few years. Or rather, several years. Or rather, deep into the 2020s. Referring to the map, Feige chuckles: “They printed out a new one recently that went to 2028.” That would carry the Marvel Cinematic Universe to the 20-year mark, two decades after the first Iron Man.

    Now, right about now is the time for a caveat. Marvel did not respond to EW’s request for comment; it’s possible that Feige was joking. But Feige has never been shy about admitting that there are many, many movies in early stages of development inside of the Marvel offices. Just because they might theoretically have a Groot spinoff scheduled for 2023 doesn’t mean any actual work has been done on that idea, besides everyone definitely agreeing that the sequel should be called I Am Groot, Too! Still, the sheer ambition of the plan is remarkable — not least because, at this moment in time, it doesn’t seem nearly as crazy as it should. At one point in the piece, the idea is floated that Marvel might ramp up their release strategy. (Post-Avengers, they’ve released two films a year.) Assuming Guardians and Ant-Man does well, they’ll have five solo franchises running alongside Avengers.

    And so before we immediately dismiss the hubris of planning out movie releases for a decade and a half, it’s worth briefly considering if Marvel — having rewritten the rules of big-screen franchises — might actually be onto something. Feige stresses the fact that he wants each film to feel like a unique genre, contrasting Captain America‘s World War II setting with The Winter Soldier‘s contemporary political thrills. (This is also the moment to point out that Winter Soldier is pretty darn good.) Obviously, yes, in seven years when the superhero fad has been replaced with movies about teen cyborgs, this might all sound rather silly. Or it could imply that they’re ahead of the game.

    More importantly: The possibility of another decade and a half of Marvel movies allows us to speculate endlessly on what B, C, and D-list characters are already in the conversation to come into the spotlight soon. Shang-Chi? The New Warriors? Avengers West Coast? Guys, they might be planning a reboot of the 2099 franchise for the actual year 2099. This also seems like a good time to remind everyone about Patton Oswalt’s Avengers/Star Wars/Moon Knight improv pitch, which looks more than ever like a prophecy.

    I hope they were not kidding! I love the idea that they have a master plan on how all of these movies fit into the same universe seamlessly (the tv show is already feeling more like that, post-Winter Soldier), and I never ever want to think they are just winging it as they go along, you know?

    Now to address isadora's new-found long-haired Sebastian Stan issue . . .

    My fave:


    • #3

      Are you familiar with the comics at all?

      ETA: Now there's gotta be room in the Marvel future for a Black Widow/Hawkeye buddy agent movie.
      Last edited by LaaLaa; 04-30-2014, 08:30 AM.


      • #4
        I know errrything about Spider-man but I really only know the rest of the Marvel 'verse through their Spidey connections (and he teamed up with everybody at one point or another).

        And, yes, I meant Chris Evans! I spent the first 15 minutes of the movie trying to remember if Olivia Munn sent those dirty pics to Chris Evans or Chris Pine and I was like: Maybe she sent them to both? Because I would.

        I'm not an Emily Van Camp fan. I don't even know how to explain it. I just don't find her particularly warm or charismatic. But I LOVE Captain America so much. Hee! He's such a goody-goody characters and those are my faves, weirdly enough.

        PYSCHED for Peter Parker next week!
        It’s just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


        • #5
          Are you familiar with the comics at all?
          I'm only familiar with the comics in the sense that I looked up many of the characters and historical comic plot-lines on wikipedia. I've just never gotten into the graphic novel/comic format.

          <--- fake geek girl, apparently

          But! I'm willing to bet that I am more familiar with some of the animated tv versions of Marvel than most people. My kids are waaaay into all things Avengers, so we have seen every ep of the following five or six times each.:

          Iron Man: Armored Adventures (teenaged Tony, Pepper and Rhody!)
          The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
          The Super Hero Squad Show
          Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow (everybody's kids)
          Ultimate Spider-Man
          LEGO: Marvel: Maximum Overload

          (as well all the X-Men or Wolverine cartoons, of course)

          We watch something Marvel related at least once every single day. We also dip our toes in the DC universe, with occasional viewings of Green Lantern: The Animated Series, or something with Batman in it. The kids have zero interest in Superman.

          And we have the Marvel character encyclopedia and about a gazillion kids books. If it's got Iron Man on it, my son owns it. Same for the ogirl, if it's got Cap on it. Thermoses, sleeping bags, wallets, notebooks, watches, bracelet charms, you name it. Anything kid related in our house that is not already branded with Star Wars, is probably branded with Marvel.

          Anyway, I'm forced to ponder the merits of various superhero storylines on a near constant loop, so such things are ever present in my head.

          I'm not an Emily Van Camp fan. I don't even know how to explain it.
          Really? I was very much on board with that casting.

          Last edited by ophy; 04-30-2014, 10:08 AM.


          • #6
            I'm pretty sure Evans is gay. Or at the least, has been seen around with a boyfriend in the last year. Which totes doesn't influence one's capacity to lust after him at all but might be the determining factor in which Chris, Munn was after. There was a little bit of chatter about it when that GQ piece came across as a PR move and it's been substantiated with various local sightings (admittedly not by me directly.)


            • #7
              I actually thought Chris Evans was already out, but I had him confused with his brother, Scott, who is a soap opera star.

              Chris accidentally outed his brother.


              Chris Evans Outed Bro Scott in The Advocate
              Scott Evans tells that he wasn't yet out professionally when his older bro dropped the bomb.

              Chris Evans got a lot of attention when he talked about his gay brother Scott in an interview with The Advocate — but Scott Evans tells the attention wasn't all good, because Scott wasn't yet out professionally.

              “He outed me publicly,” Scott Evans told the website. “I outed me when I was 19 but he outed me publicly… it was The Advocate that the article came out where he told my story and when the article came out he got a lot of flak for it from a lot of his friends who said, ‘I can’t believe you did that!” Immediately I got a phone call from him and he left me this message freaking out: ‘Are you okay with this? Are you upset that I did that?’”

              Scott assured his older brother he wasn't upset.

              “I’m glad that he’s comfortable enough to talk about it and not ashamed about it or anything,” he said of Chris.
              And here's the interview:


              I read on that your younger brother Scott is gay.
              Yes, I do have a gay brother. I’m down with the gays. Mostly I’m hanging out with him and his gay buddies, who are fucking hilarious. They’re the funniest people I know.

              Do they take you to gay bars?
              They’ve invited me out to gay bars before, and I said, “Look, guys, I’ve got to draw the line there.” That’s where a photo will get taken, it will run in magazines, and before you know it, I’ll be living down the gay rumor for the rest of my life.

              Does your brother look anything like you?
              He does, but he’s about an inch taller and about four shades tanner than I am. He’s a very fit young man. Believe me, he does quite well for himself.

              How did he come out to you?
              He was really nervous. He came out to all of us very slowly. His first year at NYU, he came out to our mother and our sister, and then he came out to me a little later. I was driving him back to New York City for school. We spent the whole day together, got to the city, had some beers in my hotel room, got into a really great talk, and he came out. I was so glad that he did. That’s got to be a difficult transition, but I come from the most liberal household you have ever heard of. And for some reason, gay men are just drawn to my mother. She’s a cool chick. I think, like, six men have come out to her. I guess they just feel so comfortable with her, and before you know it, they’re coming out of the closet. I think my mother was praying for us to be gay, so at least she got one of us.

              Growing up, when was the first time you realized that you weren’t gay?
              When I had a crush on my babysitter, who lived with us for a few years. I must’ve been 10 or 11. I was just head-over-heels in love with her. I thought she was the greatest thing in the world. Then I had a really big crush on Kim Cattrall in Mannequin. I was in love with her too.

              In May 2008, you were photographed wearing a T-shirt with an image of two girls making out. Was that your way of showing support for gay marriage?
              My buddy owns a clothing line in L.A, and that’s one of the T-shirts that he makes. To be completely honest, I threw it on without really taking a close enough look at it. On that day I ended up getting photographed at a clothing store — which rarely happens to me — and then on the way home, I get in a car accident. So I’m dealing with police, the ambulance, taking down names and numbers, all while wearing a shirt with two women tonguing each other. It was a rough day. As for gay marriage, it’s mindboggling and appalling that human beings are being denied civil rights in this country. But time will heal all. I have to believe that in 10 years we won’t be having this conversation. We’ll be having another one, because we’ll always find someone to persecute.
              He's so open about his brother's sexuality and his coming out process and everything, that it makes me believe him when he says he's into girls, tbh.

              And if he hangs out a lot with his brother and his brother's friends, then that might account for the rumors and sightings. But hey, who knows?

              I'm always vacillating between EVERYONE IS LYING and letting people state it for themselves and taking them at their word. It's an uncomfortable mental place, really.


              • #8
                Didn't Chris Evans date Biel for like 4 years or something before either of them were very famous? That seems like a super long time to beard for someone who isn't getting you invited to A-list shiz. And I know he dated Minka Kelly for a year or so after that and then they got back together for like another year recently. I have no idea how thirsty Minka is for fame so she might have signed up to beard in the aftermath of her legit heartbreak over Jeter.


                • #9
                  If he outed his brother and he's still in the closet... well, that's kind of assholish, isn't it? He seems like such a good guy.


                  • #10
                    I could totally buy, especially given the super liberal anything's cool upbringing, that Evans is interested in women and has publicly dated women and also sometimes hooks up with guys. Because there's a lot of that here too - 'I'm definitely not gay; I just have sex with guys sometimes'. The sightings haven't been at gay bars or in We Ho or anything. He was very affectionate with a male companion running errands to the same place on more than one occasion.

                    Who knows? Maybe his brother was mistaken for him. I'm not particularly invested in what his preferences are.

                    It's totally nobody's business but the number of out men who are actors in Hwood is so drastically disproportionate to the number of out men everywhere else that when it's talk like that rather than whatever goss is being reported, I tend to give it some credence. Especially if I trust the sources of the sightings.


                    • #11
                      that Evans is interested in women and has publicly dated women and also sometimes hooks up with guys.

                      Yeah, my stance is always, in my reg life or in goss life, to assume everyone is bi until they state/indicate differently. Wasn't it Tom Hardy who said that of course, he's been with both guys and girls, because he's an actor, duh? Something like that, anyway. He didn't really define himself as 'bi', just open-minded.

                      And Chris *was* spotted at a gay bar, for his brother's bday a couple of years ago (he had a girl with him, though), and he was really generous to the male strippers and cool with everyone there. Again, could just be that liberal upbringing 'it's all good, can swing either way' vibe, or it could be that he's genuinely not into guys, but he's affectionate and has a lot of gay friends in his life via his mom and bro. Not super important to pin down, of course. (Sexuality can't always be/doesn't have to be, anyway.)

                      Wait, what started this? Oh, right, Olivia Munn. Who is single again, btw! She and Joel from The Killing broke up. That's not relevant, but wevs. Nothing is, we're all going to die someday.

                      And it *was* Chris Pine she sent those nudes to, not Evans.

                      RDJ picspam!

                      He's one of my very fave wee men.

                      Oh, and whatever this is!

                      I thought the natural ship was going to be Bruce/Tony (Science bros!), so it's surprising how many Steve/Tony shippers exist. They are kind of a big deal on tumblr.


                      I think I get it, definitely.


                      • #12
                        Steve/Tony shippers are a *huge* fandom. Or so it seems to me. They pop up all over when I am looking at Sterek stuff.


                        • #13
                          Yep. It's the whole "they don't like each other at first" thing. (Although, the latest movie might change things).


                          • #14
                            I believe Iron Man is bi more than I believe Cap't A is gay. Though he is a tiny bit gay for Bucky maybe.
                            It’s just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


                            • #15
                              Oh no, I shipped OM and RoboCop! Oh well. I'm on board for a Chris Evans pendulum.