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  • Stranger things have happened! PERHAPS if the editor in charge of the series (who is basically managing the brand internally) had a strong preference she would push her SEcret agenda! Or her DEsperate shipper agenda.

    But, more likely, the person in charge of managing the flow of editorial hates her job, the franchise, and her boyfriend. And she dreams of working on "good" books that are not about teen vampires.

    Although! A friend of mine ended up editing YA at Simon & Schuster (I think) a few years back and she ended up working on some Buffy teen books and she was a HUGE Buffy fan. She told me that they are written by people who often don't care about the show at all and one of the books had Druscilla acting like a completely rational person. The editor working on that got to go in and crazy Dru up, which must have been fun.
    Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


    • Originally posted by ophy View Post
      You think her letter to D/E fans was faked? Or just misleading because she's kinda batshit? (Which for the record, I think she is).
      No not faked. And not even misleading, just bitter. I don't think at any point she said Delena were her endgame or that the series was the story of Delena's love.

      Here is an email she sent to Bamon fans:
      "Hi Emily—

      Thank you for your beautiful email. I completely understand why some fans get overeager—and especially if they think there is bad news for them. I hope that you will enjoy Midnight, as it is truly the story of Damon finding his deepest feelings for both Elena and Bonnie—and his feelings are definitely not platonic. In fact, to be blunt, without Bonnie and something that Bonnie does at the end, Damon would be permanently dead.

      But right now I have to tell you something that makes me so sad and devastated—as bad, in fact, as I have ever felt except for when my mother died. It’s confidential, but it’s been so long now that I just can’t keep up a charade with good-hearted readers like you.

      To put it briefly, I’ve been fired from writing the Vampire Diaries. And I’ve been fighting and fighting this since last fall, but there is absolutely no recourse. Midnight is the last L. J. Smith book in the Vampire Diaries series.

      It probably sounds completely impossible to say that I am fired from writing my own books. But the truth is that they’re not mine, even though I write every word. When I was called by an agent and asked to write the vampire trilogy, that agent wasn’t from a publisher, but from what is now Alloy Entertainment, Ltd. And they are a book packager. A book packager sells books, already made with covers and all, to publishers, like HarperCollins—my publisher for The Vampire Diaries and The Secret Circle. And both these series were written “for hire” which means that the book packager owns the books the author produces. Although I didn’t even understand what “for hire” meant back in 1990, when I agreed to write books for them, I found out eventually, to my horror and dismay. It means that even though I have written the entire series, I don’t own anything about The Vampire Diaries. And from now on, the books will be written by an anonymous ghostwriter, just as Stefan’s Diaries are. It will say “Created by L. J. Smith” on the cover, but I am not allowed even to change a word in the ghostwriter’s book.

      You might wonder why the book packager and Harper would do this to me. I am not sure either, but usually a book packager gets very submissive, non-assertive writers to write for them—not to mention that most of them, writers or ghostwriters, have had a lot of publishers turn their books down. Book packagers are used to do a lot of editing on their author’s books—because the books need intense editing.

      But I’m not submissive, and I always fight editing. In Midnight, I had to fight to keep many Bonnie scenes in the book. I’m not at all sure they liked the things I was doing with Bonnie and Damon—they kept trying to cut such scenes. And of course they didn’t like Elena’s behavior at all. They want strictly Stelena books.

      So last fall when I gave them the book Phantom, they didn’t bother to give me edits. Instead, I was given a letter addressed to the ghostwriter by name, telling her to completely rewrite my book. They wouldn’t even listen when I pleaded and promised to do Phantom as they required. The simply took the series and gave it to the ghostwriter . . . to write not only The Hunters trilogy, but whatever comes after that.

      They have always tried to minimize my participation in The Vampire Diaries. On the very first original books in 1990 my name was almost invisible on the cover. And now they have my manuscript of Phantom, and the book the ghostwriter writes from it may even sound like I wrote it in places, because they have the right to use my work as they see fit. But the book after that . . . that will be pure ghostwriter. I would guess that they think you readers won’t see or care about the difference in writing styles and skills.

      I have said this to another Bamon fan, and I’ll say it now. I had so many plans for Bonnie in The Hunters trilogy.
      First of all, in Phantom, I had her showing a lot more emotion, grieving right along side Elena because—well, because Damon does something almost unbelievable for Bonnie in Midnight and he doesn’t get out unscathed.
      I won’t spoil it if you don’t know. But they wanted Bonnie to have just put it all behind her—and with Bonnie’s character, I don’t think so! She is always completely openhearted with her emotions; even though she has matured so much in Midnight, she’s still Bonnie, who says exactly what she thinks, even if she hasn’t had a dose of Black Magic wine.

      I wanted to write Moonsong, and give Bonnie an admirer who is just as sweet and even more naÔve than she is—a pure white wolf with radiant blue eyes, who happens to be a werewolf with moonlight colored hair and the same blue eyes when he’s human. I wanted to show Damon’s surprising reaction to Xander the good werewolf (not at all happy about it—so much that he “accidentally” almost kills the poor innocent wolf) .

      I also wanted to show how Damon rescues Bonnie from a vicious wolf-pack attack, and then let her fly away with him. And I wanted to show how Bonnie, who knows a little medicine from her sister Mary, helps Damon deliver Caroline’s twin babies when she goes into labor deep in the woods. But that’s one scene that I would have had to fight tooth and nail for, because even the glow that Damon and Bonnie share at seeing new life come into the world wouldn’t be enough for them to call it decent. They would undoubtedly have tried to make me cut it. But I still want to write it, so badly.

      I even had the last book in that trilogy plotted out, where Stefan’s worst nightmare comes true and he takes so much blood from Elena that has to be taken to the hospital for a massive transfusion. He then decides to Influence Elena so hat she will forget his existence, and he does so, to Damon and Bonnie and Meredith’s consternation. I wanted to show how this affected each one of the characters, and how Bonnie once again begins to write in her diary, since Elena’s diary is also forgotten, along with Stefan. I like to write things from Bonnie’s point of view, as I did in Dark Reunion. But none of these things will happen, beause I won’t be around to write it. And I just can’t keep up the pretense any long with wonderful fans like you. I can’t pretend that Bonnie and Damon’s relationship will continue to grow as Damon learns to respect her as well as to love her. She has become “his girl” but I can’t follow up on that. I had to tell the ghostwriter that he would address Bonnie as “little redbird” when he speaks to her.

      Sorry for the long rant, but the charade is over for me. I don’t know how Phantom will turn out, with a blend of my manuscript and the complete rewriting of it by the ghostwriter. But I dread it, and even more do I dread what the next books will be like. I’ve worked so hard to make Vampire Diaries a good series, only to have the unthinkable happen to me. And I have no one but myself to blame for not being submissive enough.

      That sounds to me like she was headed for a Bamon ending. Certainly that's how the Bamoners took it. (Everything I read about the books makes me more determined never to read them)

      The Bamon fans at FF are the craziest. They are nearly all Bonnie fans and don't like TV Damon.

      I agree it seems that the books might have been heading for some sort of B/D/E triangle. Hideous.
      Bitter Shipper


      • AARRGGHH!!

        I lost my post. GOD.

        I liked this episode a lot.

        Loved the Stelena break up scene. Hated Tyler. Disappointed in Wickery Bridge.
        Am a total Klaroline shipper even though I know he is horrible monster.
        Originally posted by Linda View Post
        ^^ Probably to illustrate that she's now bound to Damon because his blood turned her into a vampire - even though he wasn't her choice when she was human and free from blood ties to vamps.
        11th October. Thank you.

        Elena's reaction to Damon in her bedroom after he rescued her, and her words to Stefan on the porch SCREAM blood bond to me.
        Bitter Shipper


        • I actually think I might be way more into Klaroline than the Vamp Triangle. I don't even care at all that he killed Aunt Jenna.
          Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


          • I can't get enough of how crazypants LJ Smith is. I love it so much. She was probably fired because the books were all cracky and involved fox spirits and angels and stuff, though, right?


            • Well, you can't blame her for refusing to admit that she was fired because of TEH CRAZY, although that does seem like the most probable reason. By emailing various fans her side of it (that she was fired for not wanting to fall into line with a prescribed S/E endgame), she was able to rally them 'round in a way that must have gratified her ego and felt a lot like REVENGE.

              I don't know what they are going to with Klaroline, but it *feels* like they are going to do *something* finally.

              I don't even care at all that he killed Aunt Jenna.
              Aunt Jenna would be a clear obstacle to Klelena, but not to Klaroline!

              Even if the whole thing is just twisted as fuck, Klaroline is so delicious to watch.


              • I really do want to start shipping Klelena now. Everyone is going out and ripping up bodies and serial killing each other. Nothing is an obstacle for anything to me!


                • Klaus's reaction/interaction with Elena is interesting to me. There's always been this kind of distance there, like he views her as a vaguely amusing piece of furniture that he occasionally has a use for. Never saw the slightest hint of a spark, though. I wonder if Joe plays it like that because he thinks Klaus would be extra wary of 'the lure of the Petrova' after Tatia and Katherine,and so Klaus approaches Elena as though she were insignificant in any context other than for his own personal goals (or as mild entertainment with her soap opera life). "Just between us two girls . . ."

                  Elijah tried to hold Elena at arms length, too . . . until her innate goodness and honor and compassion won him over. But none of that works on Klaus in the same way.

                  I would think shipping Klelena would be one of the most uphill of shipping battles. But hey, go for the challenge.


                  • Actually, I like Elena/Elijah better, to be honest. I like to think of the ships that are least likely to ever happen and then ship them in a fic-only kind of way.


                    • I could TOTALLY get behind Elejah shipping! Now that's a very yummy, very possible pairing. Even Daniel Gillies is an Elejah shipper.

                      That actually *is* a very popular ship in fic-land - which I found out when Elejah shipper folks PMed me angrily for making Elena a Mikaelson (and the descendant of Elijah) in one of my fics.

                      I kinda sorta think Elijatherine would be a super hot ship, too.


                      • Cute interview vid where they ask the cast 'Marry, Shag or Stake':

                        I like that Candice almost immediately said she would have Caroline marry Elena, so they could share clothes. I could definitely ship Elenaline. Carolena? Wevs. HOT.


                        • Loved the Stelena break up scene. Hated Tyler. Disappointed in Wickery Bridge.
                          Am a total Klaroline shipper even though I know he is horrible monster.
                          Wasn't it the most sane and understandable break-up scene on tv? Just so well done. PDubs and Neeners were both gorgeously well controlled throughout.

                          Why did you hate Tyler?

                          Klaus IS a monster! A sexy hot sexy Welsh-accented sexy monster. Get on that Caroline. Rowr.

                          Of course, it will be amusing if Bonnie and Caroline give Elena all kinds of crap for wanting to get with Damon, only for Bonnie to hook up with creepy Shane/possibly Silas, and Caroline to hook up with Klaus.


                          • Klaus doesn't like Elena "in that way" because Elena is not a spitfire. He likes a gal with some sass and Elena is all anxious.
                            Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


                            • True . . . but he wasn't the least bit into Katherine, either. Even the modern Katherine, who is sassier than old tymey Katherine.

                              I don't know . . . Joe just strikes me as the kind of actor that would have put some thought into his character's backstory where doppelgangers and Tatia are concerned. He really viewed Elena and Katherine as his personal property to be used as he would, and that was all. He doesn't approach any of the other ladies that way. I mean, yes . . . he only cares about Bonnie in how she could be useful to him, but he doesn't view her in a proprietary way. Elena and Katherine were *his* doppelgangers, but he had no affection for them at all. They were *his* in the way that the objects he owns are his.


                              • But he had a thang with Katherine, yes?
                                Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.