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  • I feel like we should slow clap for the ONN's coverage of the breakup upfronts.

    Thanks! And here I was just feeling bad because of all the typos today. Definitely distracted by beach prep, especially now that my mom is here.



      I have no frakking idea what just happened but I am excited?

      Lots of lovely moments ( "I intend to be your last, however long it takes" !!!!) and whatever but eeek.

      I think Julie did this as a present to Paul Wesley and I am not sorry about it.


      • For the record, I think I was banging the Katherine gets the cure drum a lot earlier this season. I thought it would be because of doppelganger hijinks and I was sort of right? But sort of not.

        Okay, to run down:

        -- we don't know what is going to happen to Kat Graham in S5, but I'm guessing she hangs around as a ghost and still helps out with magic?
        -- Paul gets to be EEEEEEVIL, but we don't know why in the heck Silas would hang around Mystic Falls
        -- Tyler does get to be in S5 and yet Klaroline is very much NOT DEAD
        -- Littlest Gilbert! Good for SMQ. No wonder he didn't move out of ATL. Really wanted Ric, though.
        -- Katherine being human is AWESOMESAUCE. Too bad Real Stefan won't be around to experience Human Katherine. This is a nice twist on the books, too . . . where Vampire Elena kills Katherine. I wonder if Human Katherine will decide to stay human, or will not be able to turn back into a vamp? Also, I wonder if Human Katherine is going to get all up on Silafen? (Steflas? We need to figure out the right nickname).


        • What the fucking hell?

          I am totally down with Katherine getting the cure. I think she was one of our favorites to get it from the beginning. I am so happy for Jeremy and SMQ. I really really wanted Alaric to stay. Why can't he, at least until he gets a new job. Grrr.

          I teared up with Elena, Jeremy, and Alaric eating lunch. Hearing Elena finally say she was happy really got to me. It has been so long. And now she gets her brother back, too. Love.

          My Klaroline swooning was embarassing. That, "but I will be your last," thing KILLED ME. I love them together so much. I am sad to see it end.

          And the look on Caroline's face when Klaus saved them was so sweet.

          I really liked how all the hunter stuff turned out to be no big deal and the episode mainly focused on the emotional stuff. That's what I really wanted to see.

          Paul Wesley broke my heart. As usual. But I don't know how I feel about this Silas doppleganger stuff. It just seems tacked on and odd. I hope it doesn't last long. I want to see Stefan helping Katherine be a human again. I am betting there is something that prevents her from being vamped again right away.

          There were so many small moments I loved. Alaric, Jeremy, and Lexi being back really added something special back to the show. They should have kept them all. And I'm not that big of a Lexi fan normally.
          Last edited by jennchum; 05-16-2013, 08:50 PM.


          • I am so not interested in human Katherine.

            However, this finale was super fun! Stefan broke my heart, Klaroline was awesome, I actually cared about Bonnie, not excited for Jeremy's resurrection, and!!! So happy for Matt and Rebekah!!! They both need this summer and I am excited for them.
            It’s just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


            • Oh! And Delena was a big snore.

              Ernesto's tweet is hilarious.
              It’s just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


              • FYI, Ilaria styled Nina for the CW upfront party tonight. Not sure if I will be up late enough to see those.

                I'm going with Silafen for now.


                Holy s--t, Stefan is a doppelgänger, Silas' doppelgänger to be exact! When did you make the decision to bring in another doppelgänger and why Stefan?
                Last year after we wrapped season three, some of the writers and I stayed on for an extra five weeks talking about story for season four. We knew that we wanted to give Stefan and give Paul Wesley specifically an opportunity to sort of spread his wings a bit more. He did such a good job playing Ripper Stefan, so we wanted to play a long-foiled plan into motion that we weren't sure if we'd get to it before the end of the season or not; we always had it in our back pocket to reveal it right around the time it felt right. The way it played out we chose not to reveal it until the last beat of the last episode basically teeing up what season five would be.

                We can only imagine how excited Paul Wesley was when he found out about this twist.
                Yes, Paul loves to play the bad buy and unfortunately for him, Stefan, more often than not, is a true-blue hero. Obviously, he had this wonderful arc as the Ripper and he's plagued by his own demons, but when all's said and done he's still very much the straight man. Getting the opportunity to dig into this and really stretch and exercise his muscles as an actor I think just made him really happy; it's exciting for him as an actor to play with a new character.

                So will we learn more about the Salvatore family history in season five, maybe about the brothers' mother?
                We've just gotten started talking about season five, but one of the things we're talking about it definitely learning more about the history of the Salvatore family. I would say that at this point the things we don't know yet are fair game.

                Can you tease what Silas will be up to when he's posing as Stefan in season five?
                Silas is going to come roaring into season five with an agenda. His mission has been singular from the beginning, which is he wants to take the cure and die and get rid of the other side so he can pass on and be reunited with his one true love. However, the cure's off the table, the other side's off the table, so he's going to have a pretty enormous plan B for how to deal with that.

                As for the other brother, he didn't get to be a doppelgänger, but he did get the girl! So what's next for Damon and Elena?
                Next for them as a couple is a long-distance relationship as Elena heads off to her new life at college and Damon sticks behind In Mystic Falls to hold down the fort. We get to see them happy, believe it or not, for a little while before of course circumstances and other supernatural influence comes in to drive an obstacle in their path.There's something that we rarely get to do on TVD, is see a couple enjoy being a couple and we're definitely going to have our fun with Elena and Damon, who have taken so much time to find their way to each other really and truly. So we're going to be able to enjoy that for a while.

                Katherine being the one to take the cure was also a huge shocker and we heard you originally planned on giving it to another character. Can you say who it was and why the switch?
                Interestingly enough, when Kevin [Williamson] and I, back in season zero, when we first launched the series and started talking about knowing that one day we'd make Elena a vampire and with that move would come the realization that there was a cure. I think in the back of our heads we always intended to heal Elena. But the instant that we actually made the decision to move forward with Elena the first thing we realized was she would of course be the one person we couldn't cure because it was just too easy.
                Instantly, we decided that the person that needed to be cured, that made the most sense from a story point of view, that would be a great surprise, would be Damon. We believed that because of all people he's the one that said he missed being human, but he's also the one who relished the most being a vampire. Well, about five minutes into the season, right after the cure was revealed to be in existence, I think I read instantly someone was like, ‘Oh, they're going to cure Damon.' I thought, ‘Oh shit!' [Laughs.]
                Ultimately, the person that we cured we wanted to get really great story out of it and I think part of Damon's delightful charm as a vampire is that he is a vampire and I'm not so sure outside of the novelty of turning him human that we'd be able to get as much as we would have wanted to dramatically. We played around with a lot of other ideas for a little while before realizing the answer was so clear and so obvious and so right in front of us.

                We're excited to see a human Katherine in season five; how will that play out?
                Katherine is the one person on the planet who would hate to be human more than anything, who's always been a survivor and so fierce and such a fighter and now she is having to be vulnerable and killable, yet all of her evil deeds of the past coming home to roost. It's going to be great opportunity for story. Not only is she on the verge of getting her ass kicked every single episode, she's going to need protection and who better to seek out for protection than the brother Salvatore who have been so good at caring on and off for her over the centuries?

                With Bonnie's death seemingly permanent, is Kat returning a series regular?
                Kat will still be a regular, business as usual. She just now has the mother of all obstacles preventing her and Jeremy from being able to have the physical relationship that we've danced around for so long.

                And finally, what will The Vampire Diaries' college years be like?
                The best part about it is that we've got a town that we've very firmly established and the university that we've established with Whitmore College, which is not in Mystic Falls, but certainly close enough than you can roll home on a Saturday and do a load of laundry. What's exciting is to create a whole new world and new characters and new friends and new foes for those who go to college and also be able to integrate what's going on at college back into what's going on home, so we never feel like we've left behind the Mystic Falls universe we know and love so much.
                So it was going to be Damon originally who would get the cure. I would not have guessed that.

                Carina's last TVD story:

                "The Vampire Diaries" has done it again.

                Going into tonight's Season 4 finale, "Graduation," we knew a few things would happen: The gang would graduate, in a poignant scene that celebrated their history together. Elena would, once again, make a choice between Stefan and Damon. One character who had previously died would return from the dead. And, of course, we knew that someone would take the cure for vampirism and turn into a human. But while we were busy asking who would get the cure and who would spend the summer making out with Elena, we kind of forgot about another season-long mystery: Why won't Silas let anyone see his real face?

                The slight of hand gave us one of the most jaw-dropping finale twists ever... and it was just one of many. We spoke with executive producer Julie Plec about what sort of fall-out to expect from some of the most surprising finale reveals when the series returns in Season 5.

                1. Silas has a doppelganger -- and it's Stefan. Yes, the Petrova women aren't the only ones with the doppelganger enchantment in their blood. All of the convoluted twists regarding the legend of Silas, his goals, and his abilities came together. Thanks to a loophole, Silas came back to life, revealing that the immortality spell itself had a loophole: doppelgangers. Silas and Stefan share the same face. Stefan is Silas' doppelganger, and now he's trapped in a safe at the bottom of an ocean.

                This is a storyline that has been in the works for about a year. "Last year, when Season 3 was over, we kept a small group of writers and we stayed for five weeks, to try to break the broad strokes of Season 4. Last year, right around this time, we came up with the doppelgänger pitch," executive producer Julie Plec tells us.

                There were some complications to introducing another doppelgänger character. In Season 2 and early in Season 3, when Nina Dobrev was playing both Katherine and Elena regularly, she grew worn out, physically. Some of the decision-makers behind "The Vampire Diaries" were concerned that playing two characters could take a similar toll on Paul Wesley.

                "We had to convince a lot of different people of how it could work and what could make it work," Julie says. "So that we didn't end up in a similar situation as with Katherine and Elena, where we exhausted Nina to the point of being unable to get out of her bed, because we accidentally overworked her so much. Creatively, everybody was very excited about the Silas doppelganger, it was just a matter of how long it took us to cement it, knowing that's fundamentally what we're going to do."

                At the moment, Paul's not concerned about working too hard -- he's just excited to face a new challenge on the show. "He is so happy," Julie laughs. "Playing the straight man hero is not always the most exciting job for an actor, and Stefan, of all our heroes, is the straightest on the show. We get to go deeper into his ripper side sometimes, but for Paul, those moments are just pocket moments of opportunity to dig deeply into his craft, and a lot of other times he feels like he's just grooming his hero hair. So obviously, he's very enthusiastic about this, and has been supportive of it all along. He's been dying for something; to be a jerk, to be evil, to be the bad guy, to be able to stretch his muscles."

                And in Season 5, he definitely will.

                2. The resurrection of Jeremy Gilbert: "Vampire Diaries" fans are used to characters dying -- and occasionally, they pop back up later, whether it's as a vampire or as a ghost. Still, we were (pleasantly!) surprised to learn that Jeremy was coming back from the grave permanently, particularly because his goodbye episode was so heart-wrenching. Didn't the writers worry that resurrecting him would dull the impact of his beautiful, memorable send-off?

                "It's something that we talked about a lot," Julie says. "Our intention, originally, was to say goodbye [to Jeremy] permanently. But then a lot of questions came up about the power of this girl losing her only living relative. It was so important to her journey at that moment. The global, eternally reaching tragedy attached to that is really sad, and really depressing."

                Though Jeremy had to die in order to push Elena into the next phase of her life as a vampire, the writers quickly realized that it'd be impossible to bring her back from that dark, desperately tragic point in her life unless they revived Jeremy. Without him, Elena was looking down a long, black tunnel of depression -- and that wouldn't make for a particularly lively Season 5.

                "We argued a lot, in the writer's room -- could we successfully bring this character back in a way that wouldn't feel cheap? Ultimately, I think that the way that it plays out, it does feel like the natural gift at the end of the season for this character that has been through so much," she explains.

                Now Elena has a chance at some happiness in Season 5. "[Getting Jeremy back] resets her, in a way, where she can now get on with her life and live like the Elena that we know," Julie says. She is cautious, because she knows that some viewers might not be pleased with the loophole Jeremy steps through to return to the land of the living. "Critically, you can look at something and go, 'Well, that's a take-back, it's not fair,' but emotionally, I think, it's a positive. We might get hammered for it. We'll see. I'm hoping people will be so glad to see our Elena pull her life back together, they'll accept it."

                3. Bonnie will still factor in to the storylines. Jeremy didn't exactly get a free ride back to the land of the living. Bonnie sacrificed herself in order to bring him back for Elena, and now she's trapped beyond the veil -- invisible to everyone, except for Jeremy.

                It's certainly a tragic loss, but don't worry, Bonnie fans. Kat Graham will still be a big part of the show. "Here's what I'll say about Bonnie: I haven't personally seen 'Being Human,' but I do know that they have a ghost character that operates pretty successfully on that show," Julie says. "This is not the last we've seen of Bonnie. If anything, she will be right there in the middle of story next season, just with a few new complications."

                4. Delena goodness! By giving Jeremy his life back, Bonnie essentially gave Elena her life back, too. Unencumbered by the sire bond, her grief, or a gaping hole where her humanity should be, Elena finally got to evaluate her love life with a clear head -- and she chose to be with Damon. "In death, you're the one that made me feel most alive," Elena told him. Cue the mouth touching! Now, with her vampire boyfriend at her side, she might just be able to enjoy college.

                It's been a rough few years for Damon when it comes to his love life -- but Julie tells us it's finally time for him to have some legitimate joy in his life. "Yes. Absolutely," she says. "We're going to get to see Damon trying to be a good boyfriend, and while it's not going to be easy, he's going to try like hell to make it work, and they're going to have a real opportunity for happiness."

                5. And what about Katherine? This season, we've seen a much more vulnerable side of Miss Katerina Petrova. She spent most of the year on the run. When she finally opened up and fell for Elijah, he rejected her in favor of a new beginning with his family. And then, in a moment of weakness, she allowed Elena to get the upper hand in a major showdown in the high school hallways. Elena, driven by very human emotions, shoved the cure down Katherine's throat. The thing that Katherine fears most is mortality. Elena gave it to her.

                Just don't expect Katherine to go all Elena on us now that she doesn't have to drink blood to stay alive. "As a human, she's still very, very bad," Julie laughs. "If anything, she feels silly for letting herself get vulnerable, and she's taking out that frustration of her own vulnerability on Elena. If Elena goes after her, Katherine's still ready to kick that puppy."
                That answers some questions.


                • It was jam-packed with stuff and I was wondering how Ophy was handling it!

                  And BURN on the line about having multiple soulmates... Hee.
                  "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.”---Kanye


                  • TOO MUCH TO PROCESS!!

                    There were SO many small moments that made this episode wonderful and I don't want to take anything away from that---but that ending was just...I don't know. Stefan as a Silas doppelganger? Really? REALLY?!

                    I'm completely thrilled that we (and Elena) get Jeremy back alive because I honestly feel like I lost a lot of my love for this show when he died, but I really really REALLY wanted Ric back too.

                    Just to bug Linda: DELENADELANADELANADELANA!!

                    But she will be happy to know that my daughter was all "really? I wanted her with Stefan". We are now a house divided.


                    • And BURN on the line about having multiple soulmates...
                      That was nice! I expected Lexi to more hardline S/E than that, but I guess she changed her mind after seeing Caroline and instantly becoming a Steroline shipper. hee. Happens to the best of us, Lexi.

                      It was REALLY full of stuff. But they hit the emotional points they needed to hit, so that was okay.


                      • Also, I don't like the Silas/Stefan stuff because now we are stuck with Silas for ANOTHER FREAKING SEASON! I can't. I just can't.

                        I really wish we could get a summer mini-series about Matt and Rebekah's European vacation.


                        • Wowza! I've totally spoiled myself and read the recaps before seeing the episode (still waiting for the download from iTunes), but I don't care. Twist! Big surprise with the Silas/Stefan thing and very happy for PW that he will be worked to exhaustion next season! Will comment more after I actually watch the episode.

                          There are some CW upfronts slowly popping up on the Tubes but nothing yet to analyse with Ian and Nina. I think the stayed miles apart from each other except for when they were on stage. Best friends my ass...they can't even look at each other. I am going over to the dark side on this relationship (door opened by Linda) where I hate them both until they start to play nice, or get back together, or when I move onto another celeb couple.

                          Speaking of celeb couples, Daniel Gillies and Jo Mo are rocking my world! This CW vid with Joseph was really fun.


                          • I haven't watched yet, because I got wrapped up in all of the The Office series finale business, but I have already decided that my S5 ship will probably be Damon/Katherine.
                            Last edited by jennk; 05-16-2013, 10:10 PM.


                            • With Elena off to college, and the long distance relationship that Julie referenced, you may get your wish jennk. Human Katherine is going to hanging around needing some friends. Stefan is MIA, so it will be up to Damon.


                              • Yeah, but I am fickle. I will change my mind before it happens or get bored of it after 3 seconds (see also: Delena).