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  • Hey now, Is. Some of us that like Ron/Hermione were also very amused by the Ron/Lavender smackity!
    "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.Ē---Kanye


    • Isadora had a moment of realisation that it's not all about her? Jeez. And she quoted Princess Bride? I am truly stunned. Hee!


      My exact words to Fee: "It's getting good now. It's a shame it took it <blah> number of pages to get there though." I really liked it, and as a whole, was a far more enjoyable book than the others. Perhaps it was because all of them have matured, and are far less teenagey and annoying. The first book was great, because it was straightforward and there were few hormones flying around, but after that, it was really whiney until we got to this one.

      Right - where to begin? Dumbledore dying. NEVAH saw that coming. Still refuse to believe it has happened though. I was half expecting CS-Lewis-Aslan-the-lion recovery type stuff. Or that Dumbledore is actually Snape, and Snape is Dumbledore in a polyjuice kind of way. But I guess the fact that his portrait is now hanging in his office says "He's dead. No, really. Dead. REALLY dead. Not dead like Elvis, but dead like JFK with the magic hex."

      I'm not sure what I think of Draco. I do think that Snape's hesitation at making the unbreakable curse at the start was at his realisation that this was going to be the end of him. I really don't think he's evil at all, and has been doing a grand old job of acting the secret spy when he's actually a double agent for good. His hatred of Harry belongs under that cover. I also don't buy the reason Dumbledore trusted him was because he said sorry for getting the Potters killed. Guilt is powerful, but only if you're sorry, and there has to be more reason for Dumbledore to actually BELIEVE that he's sorry than just saying so.

      Malfoy - eh - I'm not too concerned about him - he'll come good in the end, I guess. And his legacy will be to live under the same suspicions as Snape has endured all these years.

      LUUUUUUUUUVED Ginny. LUUUUUUUUUVED Ron getting off with Lavender at every opportunity. If memory serves, I do recall Harry looking at Ginny differently in the last book too, so it didn't seem quite so tacked on. It was more prevalent because this time Harry noticed himself, but I think the signs have been there for a while. I too don't understand what Herm sees in Ron - they'd never get on as a couple in real life, but they do love each other.

      What else? Oh, yeah - the last Horcrux is DEFINITELY Harry's scar, though that then throws up the problem that the mortal body is the last part that has to be killed, so I guess harry's going to die before that happens?

      Oh - hee! Bone to the smut lovers? The fact that there contains the phrase 'Snape ejaculated Slughorn'. Made me giggle. So? I'm 5.

      Will add more when I think of it. Though that spoilerific essay that Ophy posted seemed pretty bang on to me.
      Last edited by Ginni; 07-21-2005, 02:42 PM.


      • Manoman, it was UNACCEPTABLE I didn't finish until last night. It was weird because I thought the bulk of it was filler but I don't mind so much because I like the day-to-day stuff that Rowling sinks into. I know Is was saying She Gets It Already but IDK, I've gotten used to it so I just expect it now. What I find tiresome is the season-long arc/mystery because that's gotten too convenient for me I guess. I liked it a lot though. Maybe mostly because the kids were older and...

        KISSING! Wheeeeeeeee! Teenage hilarity and ridiculousness ensue with Lupin and Tonks!? I cannot LOVE MORE what she did to the fandom. I think I love Rowling more now for her shit-disturbing tactics.

        As soon as the HBP was the author of a potion book, I knew it would be Snape. I think Dumbledore and Snape had a bigger deal than the Order knew about and Harry (as usual) is wrong. Well, that's not true. He's not always wrong, it's usually about 80% right I guess. He always misses hella important details.

        Liked Voldemort's backstory. I'm not good at piecing the books together because I haven't done rereads but ITA with the spoiler essay; all that shit makes pretty good sense to me.

        I can't imagine she would really kill Harry. I think the only person possibly rooting for that is Daniel Radcliffe. Hee.


        • Seriously people! I've had a REALLY busy week! *sob* I only got to read for about 15 minutes yesterday! And I'm going out of town for the weekend! To NOT read.

          Even my coworker finished and he didn't even buy it until Tuesday! Don't you people HAVE LIVES?

          Spoiler tagging that I can not read *enrages* me. What if you are all calling me a dirty cunt under those tags?
          Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


          • Well...I wsan't, but I will be from here on out. Diiiiirty!

            Oh, and to be spoilery, Ron/Lavender/Hermione 4 evaaaaaah!
            "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.Ē---Kanye


            • Ooooh!

              I just tried to go and edit my post to call Is a dirty cunt, but it wouldn't let me. Dammit!

              I did have another actual thought about the book: What with no-one from the Order believing anything good about Snape, how in the hell is he going to do good? No matter what he tries, everyone's going to believe he has nefarious plans at heart. It's going to be like that Cary Grant spy film where the woman's on the roof and doesn't know who to choose.

              My theory is, the lightning scar is the last horcrux, so Harry tops himself, and then it's left to Snape to get his redemption by dying in his attempt to kill Voldy. But not before Harry spends most of the book trying to track down and kill Snape for killing Dumbledore.

              The more I think of all the things she's got to include in it, the less I'm inclined to read it.

              And also, I had a chat about the style of writing (you know, using the 'He said surprised' nonsense), and someone pointed out that I suppose the (main) target is to kids, who perhaps need the additional pointers. I must admit, I did feel a little stupid at that point. WE don't need the help, but I guess her supposed audience might. Hee!


              • FINISHED!

                Okay, so I loved it. I thought the last 60 pages had an incredible emotional wallop. I was really deeply moved by the death of Dumbledore (and Harry's helplessness in that moment)! I was not so moved by either the death of Sirius or the end of GoF, honestly.

                I loved every.little. bit of the kissing and the Spider-man/Mary Jane rip-off at the end of the funeral. *sob*

                I don't know if Snape is evil or not and I don't fucking care. I hate him infinity. To cause the death of two people (even if you are sorry!) and then to be able to not only look their 12-year old son in the eye and treat him so poorly? I just can't get past that. Fuck that piece of shit.
                Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


                • Do we have to still use spoiler tags? I have shit to say, but I don't feel like using the tags.

                  <- lame
                  It's all about me and my precious.


                  • Hee! I don't really give a shit since I already read it but it might be nice if you just said: Spoilers and shit; read it at your own damn risk!
                    Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.


                    • I'm about half-way through Eucalyptus and have nothing ready to read for when I'm finished. I get a tad worried when I don't have the next in line ready.

                      So I need suggestions. Believe it or not, I'm in the mood for a love story. Half-way through Eucalyptus and I've been given the most ever so slight hint of when this is going to turn into the frigging love story it's supposed to be.

                      Next book simply needs to be a good love story. I'm sick of family plights, lesbian love triangles, the setbacks of living in Paris and philosophical rants.

                      Then again, I wouldn't want anything like a Mills & Boon book. Am I being too fussy? Any title suggestions or should I just read Pride & Prejudice for the 15 millionth time?


                      • P&P!! (I've been on an Austen kick lately). It's not a love story, per se, but you might like Sorcery & Cecelia - it's an epistolary thing about two friends and the authors thank Jane Austen in the intro, if that helps. It's light and fun.


                        • Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but have you read I Capture The Castle by Dodie Smith yet?

                          Well, it's got love in it. Not exactly the most satisfactory resolution for all parties, but still.

                          Otherwise, if you don't already love Dorothy Sayers, I recommend all of the Peter Wimsey/Harriet Vane books. You have to read a few of them to reach the romantic conclusionary stuff, but personally, I love a slow build.


                          • Quick posts. Yay! Just what I was hoping for. See how worried I get?

                            Slow builds are the best. I hate early hook-ups then there's nowhere for them to go but down, only to make up. I should've mentioned that but pretty easy to figure out if I re-read P&P as my regular back-up!

                            My disappointment so far with Eucalyptus's love story premise is that the love interest has only now been introduced, half way through! So he's said about four words to her. It could turn out fantastic but I've had to wade through a lot to even get to this point.

                            I'm noting all these books down. I've never even heard of I Capture the Castle so not a stupid question! (I probably won't have heard of many love story novels suggested.)

                            Vanessa, I was thinking about picking up Emma again after many years. I don't remember loving it so much but at least I'd know there was some falling in love involved!

                            Maybe I should throw out the question - What's your favourite all-time novel? - and see what I get back.

                            ETA I should probably mention I'm a sucker for he/she doesn't realise Mr/Ms X is in love with them type of story. P/Jo? Hee. (Though I prefer to think of the great Deux and Mr Deux backstory being why I like that type!) Or I like the he/she misjudges Mr/Ms X therefore detests them style. Mr Darcy anyone?
                            Last edited by deux; 08-25-2005, 01:03 PM.


                            • I'll give my list, I can't limit to one:

                              The Magician's Assistant by Anne Patchett
                              Winter's Tale and Memoir from Antproof Case by Mark Helprin
                              Lord of the Rings
                              The 20 books of the Aubrey/Maturin series, Patrick O'Brian
                              Dinner at the Homesick Restaurant, Anne Tyler
                              A Trip to the Stars, Nicholas Christopher
                              Ethan Frome by Edith Wharton
                              Pride and Prejudice

                              I just read Emma, by the way, which I hadn't read since high school. It has the kind of story you describe at the end there, but I think I was being too modern in reading it. I often wanted to smack Emma, which I get is the point of the book, but then at the end my feminist part got annoyed that she had to do all the changing to be worthy of perfect Mr. Knightley.


                              • You want a love story and no-one's suggested The Princess Bride? What, are you all stoned? Jeez!

                                Um. Hee! I sit across from our bookshelves at the desk, and I can't honestly find a single love story that you might find interesting. I've got my fake-Xena fanfic stuff, but that's all lesbian triangles (and disappointingly less smutty than I remembered reading!) and cosmic soulmatey. Also my collection of Strangers In Paradise comic, but again with the lesbian triangles. No - I think for 'romance', the best I'm going to come up with is TPB. The R&A Rules of Golf are decidedly non-romantic. Oooh - The Love Story: Love means never having to say you're sorry. *sob* Made me cry. And yet, still I love it. And 'Forever' that Isadora sent me. BWAH! That shit still cracks me up.

                                On a favourite book jaunt, I can come up with the following (which I still will change and go back on depending on mood!)
                                TPB - William Goldman
                                Heidi - Joanna Spryi
                                To Kill a Mockingbird - Harper Lee
                                Fried Green 'Matoes - Fanny Fla(ps!)gg

                                Not the greatest of lists. I always thought it would be longer than that. I have a couple of authors from whom I would buy a grocery list: Fanny Flagg, Christopher Brookmyre (a scottish version of Carl Hiaasen), John Irving, Patsy Cornwell (her scarpetta stuff only, though that is definitely waining), Simon Singh (factual sciencey stuff, but highly readable). Other than that though, I don't really have a huge number of books that I would return to.

                                I am currently reading 'We must talk about Kevin' by Lionel Shriver (who's a woman. Called Lionel. How odd!) and it's really gripping. And terrifying. Anyone currently raising chillun is not allowed to read it. I'm convinced that he reminds me of one of my nephews. I've pretty much read it in 3 days, which considering I've been working nights and it's taking up sleeping time is not bad going. It's quite a slog sometimes, since she's all about the big words, but I really am 'enjoying' it. I'm really not sure that 'enjoy' is the right word, but man - it's good, gripping stuff.