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  • This whole discussion prompted me to re-read Jellicoe Road, and so I was DESTROYED IN MY HEART for like a whole day last week because I couldn't shake it off. It's definitely a re-read book, because it's a different experience entirely to read it again knowing so much more about all the characters and story the second time.

    As for your questions about Fitz and Webb, em, I think the answers are 1) Nope, we don't find out about that until near the end 2) We are never told, so that is a legit mystery. I assume that Hannah doesn't know what happened to the body for sure. 3) My reading was that yes, it was completely an accident-- but again the epilogue was only Hannah's interpretation, since she wasn't there. That seems to be what she believes, though. Or wants to believe?


    Has anyone here read any Jenny Han? I read Burn For Burn while at the beach, and was so tremendously puzzled at why people had recommended it to me. Such a mess. But I thought hey, this one was co-written, so maybe the faults were not Han's . . . and since I want to celebrate diversity in YA, and she is an Asian American author who includes Asian American protagonists (extremely relevant to my interests!) I picked up To All The Boys I've Loved Before as well, and OMB. I can barely get through it.

    I've noticed a trend in YA contemps lately where books about teenagers are written using what I would consider Middle Grade dialogue, and I just don't understand why. Is it a backlash against John Green's dialogue maybe, which some complain about as being not teenagery enough? If so, it's going too far the other way. To All The Boys is written about a senior in high school, whose internal voice makes her sound thirteen, and it is truly disconcerting to me. The character is supposed to be legitimately smart and normal, so the author is not *intentionally* making her sound thirteen as a brave character device and a statement about those who are mentally slow, so the choice has got me so confused. All of the dialogue is weirdly stilted, dull and cliche, and I just don't understand why this book's release was hyped. i mean, yay for Asian American girls getting to be main characters, but have these people never read any Justina Chen? A much better example of solid YA where the characters are not all idiots, and some of them have Asian heritage which is actually explored -- and not treated like a weird afterthought.

    I follow Han on twitter, and she seems like a lovely person, but . . . anyway, consider this an anti-recommendation, I guess.

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    • I think most books are bad regardless of genre so... there's that. Most everything is mediocre and so when something is really a gem or really speaks to you? It's a treasure!
      Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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      • I think most books are bad regardless of genre so... there's that. Most everything is mediocre and so when something is really a gem or really speaks to you? It's a treasure!
        This is exactly how I feel about movies.

        I agree, o. I popped into goodreads and they seem to feel the same too in that it was a total accident which is what makes it so tragic. And when Fitz keeps diving into the water off the branch it's because he can't get the sound of Webb's body hitting the water out of his head. He initially thought he hit a bird. That epilogue is haunting with Webb with his earphones on thinking about good his life is. It's a book I'd re-read. I still firmly categorize it as YA (in that it didn't transcend the genre for me) but it's excellent YA.

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        • Ugh, even hearing the spoilered SUMMARY makes me teary, you guys. If I reread, I would also have to allot a whole day for re-crying.

          To All The Boys is written about a senior in high school, whose internal voice makes her sound thirteen
          Yes! I think I started my Mission to Read Non-White Protagonists with that book and quit on the first chapter. The cover made me so happy, too. Boo.

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          • I think I started my Mission to Read Non-White Protagonists with that book and quit on the first chapter. The cover made me so happy, too. Boo.
            Yes, exactly! Everything about it was so promising, but the material is not living up to the promise at all. I wanted so badly to love it.

            Try Girl Overboard by Justina Chen instead. It's about a fifteen year old Asian American female snowboarder, and it's light years better.

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            • To All The Boys I've Loved Before just got a movie deal.

              http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat...a-novel_b87395

              Overbrook Entertainment has picked up the film rights to Jenny Han’s young adult novel, To All the Boys I’ve Loved Before. Screenwriter Annie Neal has been hired to write the script.

              Deadline reports that the story stars “high schooler Lara Jean Song, who writes love letters to the five boys she’s ever loved and keeps them locked away in a hatbox until the day her letters are mailed, upending her real-life love life.” The book came out back in April 2014.

              Han has announced on her blog that she has a sequel in the pipeline entitled P.S. I Still Love You. Simon & Schuster Books for Young Readers has scheduled a release date for April 21, 2015.
              Despite what I said about not loving the book, this news makes me happy. Asian American protags in a YA movie adaptation! Yes! It actually reads better as a romcom anyway. A smart screenwriter could really make something of the premise.

              Y'all have no idea how hard it is to find Asian female MCs for my kiddo to identify with. By the time this gets released (if it gets made for realsies), the ogirl will prob be in the target age group.

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              • Ooh! For some reason, I'm confident it'll come off smarter in movie form.

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                • I finally read Coreo-graphy. Holy crap, y'all. The rampant molestation. I don't know it I can ever watch Lucas again. And that movie was precious to me. Now it's just...tainted. Back to VotD for me.
                  "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.Ē---Kanye

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                  • Rainbow Rowell's Fangirl is just $5 on Kindle right now.
                    Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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                    • Isadora, there's another book you're supposed to be reading!
                      "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.Ē---Kanye

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                      • I can continue to buy books on the side! I'm not quite finished with VOTD but y'all can move ahead without me!
                        Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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                        • I will read no Troy Langdon Tatterton without you.
                          "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.Ē---Kanye

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                          • Thank you, bb. I shall read faster!
                            Itís just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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                            • I'm trying to read "The Confidence Code" and gah, it's soooooo boooooring. I'm a third of the way in and all they've done is regurgitate the results of a bunch of different studies, ultimately coming to the the conclusion I would have without seeing ANY data, which is that while you can be born predisposed to be an anxious/non-confident person, strong parenting can overcome that (i.e., Nurture > Nature). Like, thanks for sharing what anyone who has taken Psych 101 already knows. Now can you get to the part where you help me open my damn mouth during meetings when I'm surrounded by loud, obnoxious, interrupt-y mens?

                              I'm also trying to read "Twilight of the Elites" and, much as I Chris Hayes, I can't get into that, either. I should've dl'd the audiobook. I could listen to him tell me how horrible greedy people are all day long.

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                              • Now can you get to the part where you help me open my damn mouth during meetings when I'm surrounded by loud, obnoxious, interrupt-y mens?
                                Have you tried Lean In yet? I realize some people find it controversial, but Sheryl really is the master of shutting down interrupt-y menfolks. (disc: I haven't read it! But I've seen her do it many times in person.)

                                On pg 134 in The Coldest Girl In Coldtown (it's kinda my duty to be checking out all the current vampire methodologies), and I'm having a hard time staying invested. The premise is intriguing, and I really enjoyed the opener (and the mc's back story) but I don't really care about any of the characters yet. The worldbuilding is good, though, and if anyone is a completist when it comes to vampires it's probs worthwhile. The mc makes inexplicable decisions and isn't somebody I care about, but it doesn't feel like the kind of book where that matters much.

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