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  • I'm slowly realizing that I'm probably the one person in the world (along with Mr. Snick) who doesn't give a rat's ass that the pope is dying. And hopes to hell that if he does, he can at least wait until my soap is over.

    <---Hell, party for 1

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    • I only care because I find the process fascinating. I was listening to NPR last night on the drive home and they were describing how after the Pope dies, some bishop is going to hit him in the head three times with this special Papal Hammer just to make sure he's dead, and then this guy makes the official call "The Pope is dead!" And the whole conclave thing is fabulous - I remember when JP II was elected so soon after JP I's election and how exciting it was to have a Polish Pope OMG! And the different smoke based on how the voting's going.

      Your modern, loosey-goosey religions don't know how to put on a show. The Holy Roman Catholic Church - they know.

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      • There's a lot of us here that don't give a flying fig about the pope dying either. But the news broadcasts seem to think we're going to be hanging on to every word about his death-progress. Really, people just want to hear when he's died. Otherwise "we're crossing LIVE to the Vatican now" means "I can go do a wee wee and make a cup of tea now".

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        • I'm morbidly fascinated with it, as opposed to 'caring about it' too. My mum told me today that my dad thought he was a great guy, and 'had a lot of time for him' (as if he dropped in frequently and dad dropped whatever he was doing to accommodate him), to which I replied that if I hadn't had just the slightest bone of feminism in my body I probably would think that too. I didn't want to get into any discussions, but I do think (many issues of his I disagree with aside) he's been a not bad pope, as far as popes go. Not as good as JPI, who was all for giving the Mafia's money to the people that actually NEED it, but still. Not bad, considering. There was no bestiality, buggery of little boys (that we know of), raping of nuns - all in all, a change really.

          I have however read Dan Brown's Angels and Demons (fuck you! I've been sick for TWO MONTHS!!) which is all about the conclave and the like, and since I was a little too young to pay any attention to the conclave the last time (other than being utterly bemused, if it's possible at 6 years old, that everyone was obsessively watching a chimney), I'm going to be interested to find out what goes on. Of course, not being a Cathole, I have absolutely NO idea who is important in the church other than JP himself, so I have no idea who's even in the running. I of course will cheer on any British (and Irish) Catholes, and vehemently boo any sex-abuse-covering-up American ones. Because it is my duty to make broad and sweeping generalisations.

          I would just like to say that I find it HORRIFIC that people are praying for him to keep living. The last half dozen reports on appearances and the like talk about how much pain he's in, and yet people want him to keep living? How about, for the love of Schiavo we learn to let these people go????? JEEBUS! Let him meet the big black man in the sky. He's suffered more than long enough. Pray for a speedy and merciful end to his suffering, you bunch of shites!!!


          Holy moly, long post! But I'm awake, it's 3am, and also bite me. The news is giving maybe 30 seconds every 10 minutes to the rest of the news at the moment- it must be REALLY imminent - but HOW YOUNG did he look back then? It's amazing how used to the bent over vision we've now got.
          Last edited by Ginni; 04-01-2005, 09:19 PM.

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          • I grew up near Detroit which had a huge Polish community. So when he visited in the early 80s (?) I remember what a huge event it was.
            In the mid 80s he toured Canada and missed visiting some native community up north but came back and visited that community first. (Or something like that, I'm gettin' old & the memory is goin').

            So, yeah - he seemed like a nice enough guy. Hey, he's more progressive than Mel Gibson, so he can't be all bad.

            Deux - those of us working the newscasts are just hoping he lasts until the end of the shift. (Another hour and half, thereabouts). At least all the obits were put together already. However, the new guys in graphics threw us for a loop today - they made stuff with the DOB/DOD as opposed to just generic stuff. At the top of our supper hour newscast it looked like we were showing an obit instead of just an update.

            Ginni - sick for two months? Hope you're better soon.

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            • I'm with Vanessa on just finding the whole thing interesting. I'm a big nerd about religion because I've never belonged to one, except for being a Unitarian for about 5 minutes (which doesn't really count since they aren't big with the God at all), so I'm both creeped out and fascinated by it. Which means all the rituals and ceremonies involved in Catholicism are kind of exciting to me, and I've never been alive for a Pope choosing before!

              *geeks out*

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              • Aw, even though I profoundly disapprove of most of his ideas, esp. those related to contraception/abortion, I find myself oddly sad about this. My mum went to see him when he visited Ireland in 1979 (I begged to be allowed to go but was too young) and I remember the hysteria and excitement then - everyone likened it to JFK's visit to Ireland. I also remember the book I won for my project on Saint Bernadette for my confirmation - a life of the pope, which had a picture of the pope about to be shot. I remember showing all my classmates the guy with the gun hidden in the crowd and they were dead impressed. Good times.

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                • Is it bad that I just keep checking to see if it's happened yet? I feel for the guy, and I feel bad as I reckon he was probably a pretty decent pontiff, but I'm kinda ready for it to be over already.

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                  • OMB. How an old codger so close to death can make people so easily forget! He wasn't that nice of a bloke if you were Catholic but didn't want to keep having baby after baby, didn't want to stay married no matter what the consequences within that marriage, or if you were in any way non-100% heterosexual. He was veray conservative, even for a Pope! He just looks harmless nowadays.
                    Despite the Pope's progressive, hands-on leadership, he is not without his critics, particularly over his views on contentious issues such as divorce, contraception and abortion. At a Vatican conference in 2001 he spoke out against laws allowing divorce, abortion, homosexual unions and rights for unmarried couples. Critics both inside and outside the church say such views risk alienating many Catholics and are out of touch with a rapidly changing world.

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                    • Ha, my old roommate had a rosary blessed by the pope when she met him. I touched it once and immediately had a pregnancy scare right after. Where's my holiday?
                      "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.---Kanye

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                      • Yes, that dear saint Mother Theresa went to Ireland for the Pope in order to convince the Irish Catholics to not allow divorce -- not matter the circumstance! Irish women were asked to stay in abusive relationships. Bravo, Catholic church!

                        Of course, MT later told some Ladie's Home Journal type of rag that she hoped Princess Diana's divorce would make her happy since she was stuck in an unhappy marriage!

                        Of course, this will quickly turn into a Mother Theresa rant from me so I will shut up now.
                        Its just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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                        • And it's over.

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                          • WTF???
                            Bush ordered the U.S. flags at all federal buildings and facilities to be flown at half-staff until sunset on the day of the pope's interment.

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                            • Poor Pope. The Mr's Catholic, and was pretty saddened by the pope's death even though he's not especially devout these days. A large part of why I'm not Catholic, or thinking of being Catholic, or allowing our wedding to be a Catholic one, has a lot to do with the church's policies, kept conservative during the pope's tenure. But he really did strive to work for peace and other good things.

                              Then of course W had to load his condolence message with references to the culture of life, which coming on top of all the Terri Schiavo brouhaha made me want to throw something at his face on my TV. Grr.

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                              • Early Sat. morning I got a call from work asking if I could do some overtime for a couple updates. Hey OT - I'd be nuts to turn it down. Wouldn't you know the Pope dies while we're taking a 20 minute lunch break?

                                My co-workers are debating the whole "lying in state" thing. Why is the Pope not in a coffin? Wasn't JFK's and Ronnie's services "State funerals" too? Obviously JFK's couldn't be open casket but now I can't remember if Ronnie's was.
                                Last edited by Res; 04-04-2005, 10:12 AM.

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