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  • #46
    Nothing freaks me out more than Alzheimer's. Losing your memories must be the worst kind of hell. I also think it proves beyond a doubt that there is no afterlife where you frolic with your childhood puppies and sit on a porchswing in the sky with Grandma sipping iced tea.

    Wow, that was really Southern.
    "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.”---Kanye

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    • #47
      I understand loving your childhood President - that makes perfect sense to me. I was 16 when Reagan was first elected, though (hush up, someday you'll be middle-aged) and so I think of him completely differently. I totally remember when all those mentally ill people suddenly became homeless people while Ron & Nancy lived it up. And his behaviour during the early AIDS years was inexcusable. He just got lucky and had the Berlin Wall come down on his watch.

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      • #48
        I never trusted him simply because he was an actor. With spin doctors and script/speech writers beginning to be acknowledged it just seemed that he had too smooth a reply for everything.
        But then I'm a Canadian - we had to put up with a Prime Minister that had seances so he could talk to his dead mother (or was it a puppy?) and Maggie & Pierre Trudeau.
        Trudeau was canonized after he died too. He was given all the credit for multi-culturism & bi-lingualism and hardly any mention was made of the White Paper (which basically tried to destroy any remnants of aboriginal culture).

        Wonder how long before Patti comes out with another book?

        edited to remove wrong thread venting

        Last edited by Res; 06-07-2004, 12:06 PM.

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        • #49
          No love for Reagan here. He was very old and he died. He was a bad actor. He was a bad president. If he was so greatly admired when he was alive, both as pres and ex-pres, why haven't people constantly compared his "impeccable" politics to the following presidents, both Dem and Rep?

          One thing in his favour - he made funnier fuck-ups in speeches and off-the-cuffs than any president since. Even Bush.

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          • #50
            I totally remember when all those mentally ill people suddenly became homeless people while Ron & Nancy lived it up. And his behaviour during the early AIDS years was inexcusable.
            The mentally ill people being kicked out on the streets sitch was actually set into motion before he got in. Of course, he did nothing to stop it...But he and Ol' Maggie T. were Neo-Malthusians, no?

            As for the AIDS sitch, while its inexcuable to us now, things were a lot different back then and for a long time, they didn't even know what was going on. I'm not saying I excuse what he did, but I can understand it since it was so new and scary and well, he *was* a conservative and it was seen as a gay men's disease then. Taking a stand would have aligned him with The Gays in a way that would have lost him a lot of his Crazy Christian backing. Something which is sadly still a problem with today's president as well.

            Uh-oh, AngryLiberalNeo is coming, I'll have to go hide in the back again!
            "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.”---Kanye

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            • #51
              I will never understand lying in repose. Millions and millions of people walking past a coffin (possibly empty, they don't know!) in a constantly moving line. You didn't know the man personally, why are you there?

              Also, why do CNN and other "news" sources feel that showing hours and hours and hours of silent people walking by the coffin is actually good viewing entertainment/news? At least during that scene in "Evita" there was funeral dirges and singing to make it interesting.

              Reagan was the first president whose politics I remember and I don't get the martyring of him at all. As others have said, he was old, he lived a full life. Yes, he had a horrible, horrible disease, but he probably didn't even know he was living with it for much of the time he had it.

              Of course, our country has a habit of sanctifying dead presidents and glossing over their bad political decisions, whether they're struck down on the street or die of natural causes.

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              • #52
                Well he actually did go to war and fight for our country. Just like Elvis! I don't think we'll ever have another President that will ever be able to say that again because they're all a bunch of punkasses that buy their way out now.

                Phew. Who knew I still had all these angry republican remnants in me? It's not like I'd take my lazy ass to war either. I like my ass too much to put it on the line.

                Hold tight everyone. As soon as Ms. Lopez's wedding barbeque pics hit the net, the nation will mourn no more.
                "But my greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live.”---Kanye

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by NeoMaxy
                  Well he actually did go to war and fight for our country. Just like Elvis! I don't think we'll ever have another President that will ever be able to say that again because they're all a bunch of punkasses that buy their way out now.
                  Hey, bite your tongue! If all goes well we'll have one of those in January!

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                  • #54
                    he *was* a conservative and it was seen as a gay men's disease then
                    Agreed completely. It's just living where I did, we knew it wasn't because we were literally inundated with info regarding the transfusions, cheating husbands and could already see it was blood borne. Granted, none of that would have been as normal if I hadn't been in this lovely loud barking political hotseat I call home.

                    Personally I like all the pomp surrounding the funeral. But, I was sitting there sobbing through Diana's watching the boys walk behind the coffin. *sob*

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                    • #55
                      Millions and millions of people walking past a coffin (possibly empty, they don't know!) in a constantly moving line. You didn't know the man personally, why are you there?
                      Well, I'm not surprised by the response. I mean sure he didn't die a tragic young death like JFK, but I think he has a similar symbolic role in the Republican Party as JFK does in the Democratic Party. It aint like you can rally around Nixon or any of the other Republican Presidents of recent memory.

                      I'm no Reagan fan but I'm tempted to go "see" and "experience" the pomp surrounding traveling of the casket to the Capital mostly as experiencing history, "being there" if you will. It aint everyday you have such a grand event.

                      I wonder what kind of funerl Jimmy Carter would get...
                      It's all about me and my precious.

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                      • #56
                        Hee! Jon Stewart said that Carter and Ford were watching all this saying: You know we ain't getting this!

                        I really do think the mourning is over the top but I also think our country *loves* the glama of grief.

                        I still don't get the Princess Di mourning at all. I mean, I did feel sad for the kids, because surely she was the only person who loved them with any sort of normalcy and her death ensured they would turn into even bigger assholes than they were already destined to be. It's not like Prince Charles is taking them to homeless shelthers (or burn units or even third-world countries) to show them to be grateful they were lucky enough to be born to a rich family, responsible only for living large enough to make the international papers and generate some tourism for the home country.
                        It’s just really honestly so tiring and emotionally draining to have to get upset over reality constantly.

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                        • #57
                          Did the Marine Band (or whichever military band it was) play "God Save the King" or was it just CNN adding the audio?

                          Also doesn't the President decide if he has a big state funeral or not? If that is the case I can see Reagan going for all the pomp.

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                          • #58
                            Did anyone else watch Entertainment Tonight last night? Their Reagan coverage had me because they told this story about how he made one of Nancy's girlhood fantasies come true by taking her out on a lake in a boat and "proposing" to her on their 25th anniversary. The name of the boat? True Love.

                            I would die from laughter if we ever found out that the DC writers knew about this story and ripped it off to tell their schmaltzy story.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Res
                              Did the Marine Band (or whichever military band it was) play "God Save the King" or was it just CNN adding the audio?
                              "God Save the King/Queen" = "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" in the U.S.

                              Same tune, different lyrics. Common patriotic tune. Many people prefer it to our national anthem.

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                              • #60
                                My first real political memory is his election in 1980. I remember my mom sitting at the kitchen with her head in her hands, wondering how this (his election) could have possibly happened. It's a scene I recalled quite vividly after W's "election".

                                It's at time like these that I'm thankful to be living in LA. Sure, on one hand we get extra-special coverage of the grief because he lived here and the body is here. But then we get to balance it out with all the anti-Reaganites writing in to the LA Times, telling people to get a grip.

                                But waiting in line for 8 hours to see a coffin of someone I have no particular affinity for? No thanks.

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